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[23 Feb 2010|12:12pm]

9 y/o dd has some mysterious rash that showed up a couple of days ago. It's gotten a little worse, but she has no fever, no other symptoms. She says the rash itches, but I never see her scratching.

I am giving her benadryl for the itch, but not using any creams or anything. She is the only one of my kids that gets these weird viruses. She also happens to be the only one of my kids that was ever vaccinated... She's had Whooping Cough, Roseola, eczema, and some awful infected boil in her thigh.

Here's some pics of the rash she has now:

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Progress for the people [29 Dec 2009|09:41am]

Hawaii is on the right track, if only we could get more states to follow the example...

Dr. Mercola's comments:
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Update on doc pushing flu vax [21 Aug 2008|11:55am]

We just got back from Sabrina's 6 mo appt. The doctor brought up the flu vax herself. I told her I'd looked into it again to revisit my reasons for deciding against it. She was interested in my reasons and listened patiently. She did bring up again that she's seen a baby die of the flu and that's why she recommends the vaccine. I forgot to ask how old the baby was, but found out that it was not premature. The doctor doesn't remember if the baby was breastfed, but says most of her patients are. I did acknowledge that her personal experience is a powerful motivator and she nodded her agreement. So she made her recommendation, listened to my reasons for declining and accepted my final decision. I know this is a dry post, but it was a pleasant visit and I remain happy with our doctor.
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Just curious... [15 Aug 2008|04:55pm]

[ mood | curious ]

I'm pregnant with my first :) and a while back, I was on my yahoo main page and saw an article about Jessica Alba and how she possibly wasn't going to vaccinate her child. Honestly, I had never even thought about doing something like that. It never crossed my mind, not once, and that was the first time I had ever heard of anything like that. I've been thinking about it, and wondering why? I'm not criticizing anyone for their decisions not to vaccinate at all so please don't take it that way! I'm actually pretty indifferent to it as of right now. It's just a new piece of information that I don't really know about and am curious about because now I see another option for when I have my baby, you know? Too many decisions to make! lol

I thought joining this community would be a great way to get parents' perspectives on choosing not to vaccinate instead of some medical mumbo jumbo or something. What are your reasons for not vaccinating your children? Are you going to skip out on every vaccine or just some and what are your reasons for that?

Also, I'm sorry if this has been asked before (I know it gets annoying- answering the same thing over and over again)...if you would like, I will delete this post but please direct me to where the question has been asked before if you could!

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[04 Aug 2008|06:31pm]

Does anyone have a link to a religious exemption form? I had one book marked but it has diappeared!
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Gardasil takes a life [30 Jul 2008|10:42pm]


She died in February, I don't know if this was posted here or not.

This is terrible.
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Flu Vax [29 Jul 2008|04:53pm]

My two girls and I have the same family practitioner and she is really pushing the flu vaccine for my five month old later this year. Sabrina's nine month appointment will be in November, so that's probably when she would like to give it. Dr. J's reasoning is that she's seen an infant die of the flu, so she's speaking out of heartfelt concern based on personal experience, not statistics or what the medical powers that be would like her to say. My three year old will be starting preschool in September so I'm a little bit on the fence. What should I say to our otherwise wonderful doctor? She has been accepting of the vax schedule I have laid out for my baby except for the flu vaccine. My girls are not in daycare and my baby is breastfed. What do you think?
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Book/Internet Resources [24 Jul 2008|07:30am]

Good Morning!
I've a friend who's recently found out she's pregnant.  I have begun the discussions of natural childbirth, breastfeeding, and vaccinations.  I have a few vaccination books I am going to recommend for her along with some websites, but was wondering what other references you all would recommend.  I'm recommending the Neil Z Miller books, www.thinktwice.com, and http://www.vaclib.org/ (which has a huge list of other anit-vaccine websites).  I'm also going to tell her about the documentary Vaccine Nation.  

What else would you recommend?

Thanks in advance!
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Pediatricians Fight Informed Vaccine Choices [03 Jul 2008|03:01pm]


Pediatricians Fight Informed Vaccine Choices

By Barbara Loe Fisher.

In another fit of pique aimed at the growing number of
vaccine-educated parents questioning pediatricians about the safety of
vaccines, the largest private medical organization representing medical
doctors treating children - the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) -
recently announced to its membership that it will fight doubting parents
in their offices, in the media, on the internet and through a
partnership with other wealthy and powerful organizations funded by a
pharmaceutical industry committed to doing the same thing.
On May 30, the AAP leadership reports that it met with the leaders
of 15 allied organizations in Elk Grove, Illinois to discuss the growing
refusal of parents to vaccinate their children according to
recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and AAP. A
recent letter to AAP members stated:
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a plea for help.. [25 Jun 2008|10:18am]

[ mood | annoyed ]

this I guess really only applies to mothers in the New Hampshire region, particularly any whom might possibly be in the Manchester/Londonderry/Derry/Salem Area

I'm returning to work full time soon and my boyfriend already works full time and I have no options left but to place my children in daycare (age 1yr and almost 3yr) and they are completely un-vaccinated, and I don't want to get them vaccinated at all. This presents a problem as I've been told over and over apparently that no daycare will take my kids unvaccinated which I do not believe. I don't trust babysitters enough as the kids would have to be outside of the house where we are staying. I was wondering if anyone knew of any daycare's in the area or even any exceptions that might let me slide my kids into something.


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great DVD [21 Jun 2008|12:52pm]

I'm sure a lot of you here have probably already seen this since Mary Tocco is director of vaccine research and education on the board of Michigan Opposing Mandatory Vaccines, but for those of you who haven't, this is an excellent DVD to check out -

"Are Vaccines Safe?" presented by Mary Tocco

You can find it on her website at MaryTocco.com, or if you just google the title and her name you can find it a couple other places.

Information x-posted to naturalfamily, delaying_vax, 2008babies, mar08babies, attachedparents, parenting101, pregnant, and my personal journal.
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A good read regarding mandatory vaccination [18 Jun 2008|07:25am]


SOURCE: Malone KM, Hinman AR. Vaccination Mandates: The Public Health Imperative and Individual Rights. In: Goodman RA, Rothstein MA, Hoffman RE, et al., eds. Law in Public Health Practice. New York: Oxford University Press, 2003: 262-84.

Chapter 13

Vaccination Mandates: The Public Health Imperative and Individual Rights

A cut and paste under the cut.

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New York MANDATORY Vaccination Bill [09 Jun 2008|11:57pm]

[ mood | angry ]

You don't need to be a resident of New York to oppose this legislation!

Insane NY Bill Makes All
Federal Vaccines Mandatory

Act now to stop the worst vaccine law ever proposed in New York since the invention of the mandatory schedule. Assembly Bill 10942 would make all vaccines recommended by the CDC mandatory for all children to attend school and, and for the first time vaccines would become mandatory for infants and toddlers.

The bill was introduced in Rules Committee at the request of Richard Daines, the Commissioner of the New York State Department of Health. The Rules Committee in the personal committee of the Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan).

A-CHAMP is calling for rejection of this bill and is demanding the passage of A5468/S3031, a bill that would give individuals a right to a philosophical exemption from vaccine mandates. This is no time to transfer vaccine decisions away from individuals and elected officials answerable to the voters and give it to obscure bureaucrats with financial ties to the vaccine industry.

Here are a few features of the proposed bill:
* Our elected New York representatives would no longer determine the mandatory schedule of vaccines to attend school; decisions made by the federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices would automatically become mandatory.
* All children, infants and toddlers included, in New York would be required to get all vaccines recommended by the ACIP according to the ACIP schedule
* All children in New York up to age 18 would be required to get annual flu shots.
* All girls in New York would be required to get a human papilloma virus shot.
* All junior high school children and college students would be required to get meningococcal shots.
* Doctors would be required to issue certificates for every shot given and parents would be required to maintain the records and provide them to school and other authorities.
* The rules committee claims that the new laws would have no fiscal impact on the state despite the necessity of the state to spend tens of millions on purchasing new vaccines, a vast increase in mandatory record keeping and enforcement for schools, and a huge increase that could be expected in the number of cases of neurological damage, Guillian Barré syndrome and other vaccine-caused injuries.

We only have a few weeks to defeat this bill. Let your Assembly member and State Senator know immediately that a vote for this bill guarantees that you will do everything you can to get them un- elected. In addition to emailing and calling your local representatives, please call Speaker Sheldon Silver and let his staff know, politely, that this is a disastrous idea. While you are at it please call Governor David Paterson and let his staff know, politely, that this is a horrible law.

Governor David Paterson (518) 474-8390
Speaker Sheldon Silver (518) 455-3791

When you call the Governor, you just leave a message... you can also e-mail him at www. ny. gov

When you call Speaker Sheldon, the person answers the phone, you say you want to voice your opinion about the vaccine bill, they send you to someone else and you just tell them.

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Time Magazine-Free Pro-Vaccine Endorsement [02 Jun 2008|09:46am]

Hello - 

I just wanted to share a book that I've recently read:  Vaccines, Autism, and Childhood Disorders by Neil Z. Miller.  I don't know how well received this author is in this community, but his infamous blue book (Vaccines:  Are they Really Safe and Effective?) is what helped us decide not to vaccinate our son.  

Both books cite information from the CDC, numerous National and International Medical Journals including pediatric journals, and the Lancet - people, publications, and organizations who have told the American public how "necessary and safe" vaccines are.  The first book I mentioned though is great because it shares congressional hearings that took place in 2004 regarding vaccines and autism - some of it was jaw-dropping for me!  You can read my journal entry about it here.

I was in the grocery store Saturday and saw the cover of the June 2, 2008 Time Magazine and about wanted to vomit.  I would love to share it here, but haven't found the article online yet.  I know that I am biased and not an impartial party, but this article does nothing to convice is that we are making a bad choice not to vaccinate our son.  

I felt like the author made a blanket statement about parents who choose not to vaccinate: for fear of autism.  While I think fear of autism is a concern for parents, for me personally, it goes way beyond that.  I like to believe that any parents' choice not to vaccinate is a well educated/informed choice that also goes beyond the fear of autism.  

We don't vaccinate because of the chemicals in vaccines, our bodies are designed to heal themselves and chemicals can interfere with that natural healing, the diseases commonly vaccinated for are treatable (and rarely fatal) and most create 100% natural immunity, and there isn't enough solid evidence for us to willingly subject our son to vaccinations - it seems as though there is some way for any evidence supporting vaccines can be debunked.  But some it also comes down to pure common sense and logic - when and how can lethal chemicals protect us?  If vaccines are so "effective" why does the vaccinated community fear us?  What's better than 100% immunity?

Well, thanks for reading my rant...I was a little perturbed by that stupid article.
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;] Howdy [21 May 2008|02:18pm]

I recently joined this community to gather more knowledge an strengthen my decision to delay some vaccinations and refuse others. I live on a military base and called the family physician unit and mother baby clinic to ask about their vaccination requirements and schedules. In doing so I was told that the Hep B vaccination they administer has NO live virus or thimerosal, they went a step further and informed me that in the state of California live viruses are banned from being used in vaccinations. After doing some research and looking at all the various Hep B vaccinations I noticed there is only ONE Hep B vaccination that does not contain a live virus, it does however contain thimerosal.

On to my questions...

1) How would I go about getting ahold of my states laws on vaccinations? (Trust me, I've googled it - no luck!)
2) Does anyone know of any such laws in which live viruses have been banned?
3) How would I go about finding out what vaccines my insurance covers? I know there is a flu vaccine that has no thimerosal, but I heard it is a bit more expensive and not covered by most insurances. I have Tri-Care, if it matters.

Also, I have been told that we will not be able to move to Germany if my daughter is not fully vaccinated, as Germany may not allow it and the Army could say "vaccinate or don't PCS to Germany". Anyone know where I could find out more about this? I've tried calling JAG (legal office here on post) for more information but no one ever calls back and it's not important enough for them to give a damn, obviously. Oh, and if it matters I am currently 33w1d and my little girl is due July 8th.

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ahhh!!! [20 May 2008|08:45am]

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A million questions [17 Apr 2008|08:59pm]


My almsot 18-month-old dd is not vaccinated at all. We have always been pretty sure that we weren't going to do any vaxes but now I'm wondering about a few. 

Yesterday she had an well child check (maybe the second one since she was born) and the doc said he was fine with whatever we decided but did say that he personally recommends HIB and the DT. We've always really been on the fence about tetanus so this definitely made us want to do even more research. 

I've read Aviva Jill Romm's book, Dr. Sears' new book and we have the Dr. Jay Gordon DVD yet we still feel incredibly overwhelmed with the info. I'm exhausted by alarmist info on both sides and am frustrated with the difficulty of making an informed accurate decision. 

I have a few questions:
1) Is the general idea about whether or not an increased number of people not being vaccinated will actually cause a comeback of some dieseases "we don't know?" That is the impression I got from Dr. Jay Gordon. I'm sort of confused by the responsibility to the herd info - Dr. Sears' book said that he recommends the pertussis vaccine to protect newborns who are not yet vaccinated.

2) Does anyone have a quick link to the info about only needing 1 dose for HIB after 15 months? I've read that this is on the CDC's website but haven't found it yet.

3) Does anyone have a "plan" as to what to do if their child does get a bad wound and there is worry about tetatnus? It seems incredibly scary to wait until there may be signs of a tetanus infection. We are getting ready to leave to go to an outdoor school camp next week and I was just thinking that we should make sure that we are taking some hydrogen peroxide, but have heard that there are good homeopathics to have on hand as well. Our doc said that he thinks that DT is much better than what is in the immunoglobulin (which is given I guess with any major wounds to unvaccinated people to prevent tetanus).

4) For others such as HIB, etc. where their symptoms can be very similar to that of benign illnesses, do you have a limit of symptoms before you take you little one into the doc? My worry is that because dd is unvaccinated that they will jump to spinal taps, etc. to r/o anything like HIB.

Thanks for any info!

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WWUD? [02 Apr 2008|08:46pm]

My parents normally take my Son(2 yo) for a few days each week. Yesterday my mother tells my that my father is not feeling very well, that they think he had an adverse reaction to a laxative.
Today she calls and tells me that they are both feeling up to have him and that she will be here at 3ish.
Tonight they call asking me if my DS was vax.ed for chicken pox, because they think my father has shingles. I tell them that if my father is that sick to bring my son home, and they start asking about MMR (then thinking that the Rubella is related to chicken pox to the point that then I should not worrie), and if I can find his card.  Ending with them saying they wanted to look on the net for information. My DP calls them again saying that we cant find his card and if my father is sick like that to just bring DS home. My mother said that she would bring DS home. Then she calls back again asking if I can call the Dr.'s Office, and see if he had a MMRv because (what she told me) the v is for chicken pox, and that if he goes home they wont be able to watch him for a month, because he could still get it from my father before then.

I am just don't know what to think about any of this... I was  just wanting to see how the night is going to play out with these on off contractions, and me having lost my plug this after noon.

My son was vax.ed up until recent, for now I am delaying until I can learn more.

In put?
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[01 Apr 2008|03:17pm]

 I've been watching Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's presentation about vaccines here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q=sherry+tenpenny&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

I made it through 45 minutes of the 3 hours so far, and took notes on the polio information, because that seems to be a big fear with most parents/grandparents.

Here are my notes so far:

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Belgium punishing vaccine refusers [14 Mar 2008|07:52am]


By Maria Cheng
Associated Press
Published: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:14 a.m. MDT

LONDON — As doctors struggle to eradicate polio worldwide, one of their biggest problems is persuading parents to vaccinate their children. In Belgium, authorities are resorting to an extreme measure: prison sentences.

Two sets of parents in Belgium were recently handed five-month prison terms for failing to vaccinate their children against polio. Each parent was also fined $8,000.

"It's a pretty extraordinary case," said Dr. Ross Upshur, director of the Joint Centre for Bioethics at the University of Toronto. "The Belgians have a right to take some action against the parents, given the seriousness of polio, but the question is, is a prison sentence disproportionate?"

The parents' sentences were delayed to give them a chance to vaccinate their children. But if that deadline also passes without the children receiving the injections, the parents could be put behind bars.

Because of privacy laws, Belgian officials would not talk specifically about the cases, such as why the parents refused the vaccine or how much longer they have to get their children vaccinated.

The polio vaccine is the only one required by Belgian law. Exceptions are granted only if parents can prove their children might have a bad physical reaction to the vaccine. There are no exceptions for people who object to vaccinations on religious grounds.

"Polio is a very serious disease and has caused great suffering in the past," said Dr. Victor Lusayu, head of Belgium's international vaccine center. "The discovery of the vaccine has eliminated polio from Europe and it is simply the law in Belgium that you have to be vaccinated. ... At the end of the day, the law must be respected."

The highly infectious disease is spread through water and mainly strikes children under 5. Initial symptoms include fever, headaches, vomiting, stiffness in the neck and fatigue. The polio virus invades the body's nervous system and can lead to irreversible paralysis within hours. In extreme cases, patients can die when their breathing muscles are immobilized.

Some ethicists back the hard-line Belgian stance.

"Nobody has the right to unfettered liberty, and people do not have a right to endanger their kids," said John Harris, a professor of bioethics at the University of Manchester.

"The parents in this case do not have any rights they can appeal to. They have obligations they are not fulfilling."

Aside from Belgium, only France makes polio vaccinations mandatory by law. In the United States, children must be immunized against many diseases including polio, but most states allow children to opt out if their parents have religious or "philosophical" objections.

In Maryland, prosecutors and school officials in one county threatened truancy charges against parents who failed to vaccinate their children. The measure sharply reduced the number of unvaccinated children although no one has been charged.

The only other case of mandatory polio vaccines is during the Muslim yearly Hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia. Pilgrims from polio-endemic countries must prove they have been vaccinated. Saudi officials even give them an extra dose upon arrival at the airport.

Since the polio virus can live in the human body for weeks, it jumps borders easily. That makes health officials even in developed countries nervous, since the threat of an outbreak remains as long as the virus is circulating anywhere.

Incidence has dropped by 99 percent since the World Health Organization and partners began their eradication effort in 1988. But the virus is still entrenched in Afghanistan, India, Nigeria and Pakistan, and occasionally pops up elsewhere.

For developed countries, imported polio cases could cause chaos in the health system, warned Dr. Steve Cochi, an immunization expert at the United States' Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

He said that unlike other medical problems, in which rejecting treatment only affects the individual, refusing a vaccine for a transmissible disease such as polio puts others at risk as well.

Still, health officials doubt that Belgium's strategy will be useful to countries that are still battling polio.

"It is up to individual countries to decide their own policies, but we do not feel that imprisonment would help," said Dr. David Heymann, WHO's top polio official.
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